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Here Comes That Heretic Word Again

Greetings,

Well, I am being accused of heresy again.  For the fifth time this decade the kind of things I post here on this blog have been brought into severe question.  I have been rebuked and told I need to stop “Bible bashing” and “leading people astray.”   Apparently I also have a “low” view of scripture and those who follow this blog are my “prey.”.  The main accusation is that I am “trying to encourage the ways of Christopher Kirk and not the Word of God” and I am the kind of person the book of Jude warns people about.  Read Jude if you get the chance?  Pretty heavy stuff in that little epistle.  This is almost exactly the same rebuke I have gotten four times before with very similar words and scripture usage.  So my attention is peaked.  Is this the standard rebuke template of the traditional/institutional “church” system?

I will admit that my view of scripture is not traditional or mainstream, but I think I have a very high view of scripture.  I just refuse to give it the same place as God Himself.  The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are at the top of my list on who to follow and I refuse to give the bible the position of the 4th part of what many call The Godhead.  After all it is The Spirit Who leads us into “all truth” and without The Spirit’s illumination of The Word it is all just dead letter.  In fact I read and use the bible all the time, but I won’t bow to it and give it the place of being a God in my life.  I encourage people to be Spirit led and not bible led, this is true, but I also admit that much of the time what the Spirit is leading us to do is read and follow the bible; especially the words of Christ Himself.

As far as leading people “astray” and those very same people being my “prey” goes…. I just don’t see it and neither do the people who I directly relate to, fellowship with, and who I am accountable to.  If anything I encourage people to break free from human leadership, including my own, and to be led by The Spirit in all things.  I don’t want people to follow me.  I want them to follow Jesus.  I don’t have any minions and no one has given me a red cent.  However, in following Jesus we will also begin to recognize that many of the teachings of traditional religion are not all that biblical and that we often times need to UNLEARN what we have been taught in order to truly follow HIM.  Taking into full account that human tradition nullifies The Word of God.  I have also read that UNLEARNING takes four times the work of learning in the first place.

I am not going to dig my heels in and defend myself concerning this matter beyond what little I have written here today.  I encourage everyone to QUESTION EVERYTHING, including every single thing I share here in my blog.  Some of you have questioned some of my posts in the comments section of these blogs and I appreciate being called to account.  In fact I love accountability.  So please feel free to interact, discuss and question anything I may say here in blogville or anywhere else.

So what do you think?  Am I a heretic?  Have I said anything I need to recant?  Do you know of any sin that I need to repent for?  Like I said, I know I color outside of the lines of traditional religion, but have I gone too far?  Do the warnings in the book of Jude currently apply to me?  All these things are up for discussion ALL of the time.  I really don’t mind being labeled a heretic by mere “men”, as long as Jesus does not view me in that manner.

Love and….

Kirk Out !

p.s.  Funny thing is that my accuser called me on the phone to deliver his message and he refused to give me his name.  All he said was that he was “a messenger of God”.  I tried to redial his number, but it was “restricted”.  So whoever you are, please be bold, upfront, and identify yourself if you want to be taken even remotely seriously.  People who speak for God don’t usually hide when they deliver their message.  Step up and share in public if your message is truly from God?  I think this was the exact same man that called me to rebuke me in March 2014 and December 2015 and he was saying all the same things over and over again.  In fact, as led by the Spirit, I am using the same response I gave in 2014 as a template for this blog post with very few changes or alterations.  This always seems to happen when I take a firm stand for women in the Body of Christ.  Some people are very insecure of their place in Christ and it seems they need to attack others who invite them to question their current beliefs in order to grow and mature concerning what exactly is the Truth in Love in these matters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can Women Be Gifted To Serve And Lead The Church?

Greetings,

“There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher.  She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, and then was a widow until she was eighty four.  She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying.  Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem.”  Luke 2: 36-38

Here we have New Testament biblical evidence of a female prophet.

“He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue.  When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.”  Acts 18: 26

“Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus.  They risked their lives for me.  Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.”  Romans 16: 3-4

Right here in the text again, as plain as day, Priscilla taught and instructed Apollos in the ways of the Lord.  Paul also says right out front that Priscilla was his fellow worker in Christ Jesus.  The scriptural evidence points to this fact…Priscilla was a pastor/teacher.  I have also read somewhere that Priscilla might perhaps be the author of the book of Hebrews.

“Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who have been in prison with me.  They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.”  Romans 16: 7

Right there in black and white is Junia…yes a female apostle.  Paul was in prison for sharing the Gospel and it is likely that Junia was right there with him for the very same reason.

To me it is extremely clear that God gifts, places and uses women to serve and lead in His Church.  This truth is confirmed both in scripture and also in my 41 years of serving Jesus in totally free and open, Spirit led, relational fellowships.  To me, if you deny women their God -given right to total equality in the Church, even in regards to that thing some call leadership… you sin against not only women, but also The Lord Himself.  Any hierarchy in the Church is wrong and sinful, including the one that always places men over women.

“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”  Galatians 3: 26-28

In Christ we are now all one.  This means we no longer are to be divided by nationality, working or social class,  gender or anything else.  To say one group is superior than another goes directly against our oneness in Jesus.  In Christ we are all equals and Jesus can use ANY one of us to lead whenever He desires.  Why disqualify 50% of the Body from service?  Because men only ministry is the tradition of most of the “church”.  It is one of the traditions that nullifies the Word and cripples the Body.  I strongly believe in following those who follow the Lord, even if that person is a woman.  I thank God for female leaders in my life.  I would not be who I am in Christ without them.

Love and…..

Kirk Out !

P.s. Everyone shares, serves and leads in our relational fellowships..so this is very rarely an issue among us.

 

 

 

 

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before

Greetings,

I have always loved the ideology behind all things Star Trek.  Since the shows inception in the 1960′s it has always preached and presented a universe based on inclusion and the equality of all life forms.  Along the way Trek has even corrected itself to be even more inclusive.  When the original series began the mantra was, “To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before.”  Not exactly inclusive of females, but when The Next Generation premiered in the late 1980′s they humbly corrected that phrase to be the more inclusive and accurate, “To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before.”

The equality of all races, genders, social classes, and ages is a noble and lofty goal.  A goal that some seem to be still threatened by.  Even the Church has had difficulty living up to such high ideals.  Paul, an apostle, addressed this important topic in his letter to the Galatians where he wrote, “In Christ’s family there can be no division into Jew and non-Jew, slave and free, male and female.  Among us you are all equal.  That is, we are all in a common relationship with Jesus Christ.”  (The Message)

In this post I am just going to focus on the need, no the Biblical command, to fully include women in all aspects of BEing the Church.  Because there are still many churches out there that do not allow for the full participation of women in ministry or any sort of leadership.  All this does is cripple the Body of Christ by not allowing 50% of its members to fully participate in the mission of the church.  That is like going into battle with both arms tied behind your back or both legs non-functional.  It just does not make good sense.

Jesus NEVER marginalized women during HIS time here on planet earth.  Some point to the fact that none of the original apostles were women, but that could be for any number of reasons and not male exclusivity.  The fact is that in the book of Romans, Junias, a female, was called, “Outstanding among the apostles.”

In my relational Church experience over the last 41 years we have always valued women as full equals in life and ministry. Because of this we have been totally blessed with the fullness that only manifests itself when the WHOLE Body is allowed to function as it was designed to when we come together.  For those of you who still struggle with the concept of every member, every gender, every age ministry….”I appeal to you brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.” (1 Corinthians 1:10)  And to me, “NO DIVISIONS”, means “NO DIVISIONS” period.  As for me, I strongly believe that the anointing of Christ can flow through each and every member of the Body of Christ moment by moment as HE sees fit. Christ in US is the Hope of Glory.

Love and……

Kirk Out !

 

 

 

 

The Only Hill To Live And Die On

               Greetings,
                     “May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus, so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Accept one another, then just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.”  Romans 15: 5-7
                     Unity, or oneness in Christ, is something extremely vital to the entire Body of Christ.  Unity is not something we can manufacture in our flesh.  It is a great gift, something that we are granted by our Lord.  We just need to recognize and accept it, and then choose to walk in it daily.
                    The fact is that we, the Church, are already one in Spirit.  Our oneness is something the Lord has already provided for us. Problem is that many in the “Church” actively choose to divide rather than come together as one.  The word denomination means to divide and there are many divisions and denominations in the “church” world today.  Most divide over matters of doctrine or teaching.  This is a very sad thing indeed, because if we could just agree together about who Jesus is and what He accomplished, we should be able to work through any other differences or obstacles with relative ease.
                     We are supposed to accept each other as Christ accepted us.  When we fully accept one another there is unity in Spirit.  We all need to remember that when Christ accepted us we were all lost, unclean, sinners, without hope or direction.  Our attitudes were often hostile to the truth.  We thought that we were unworthy, undesirable and unlovable.  In spite of all of this Christ loved and accepted us just as we were with all of our faults and blemishes.  Even though our behavior was much less than Christ-like He still loved us and looked past our shortcomings.  The big question is are we willing to do the same for all others that the Lord brings into our lives?  Will we look past their apparent sins and shortcomings?  Or will we instead sit in judgement and deny people equal access to the cross and His Body?
                     There is no true unity without total acceptance of those who seek Him and also those who are already found in Him, regardless of what their sins and behaviors may be.  Christ can change and adjust them in HIS way and time.  It is not our job to judge them or deny them entrance into the Kingdom.  As followers of Jesus we are to hold the door of acceptance and fellowship wide open to those who seek and love Him.  God is all about relationship and we should be too.  I feel that relationship with Jesus and one another is the one and ONLY hill where we should plant our flag and be willing to live and die.  The quest for purity of doctrine should NEVER be that hill.  The “Church” tried that in times past and the result was only death and destruction in the great Inquisition.  I do believe that we can be iron sharpening iron even when we may disagree on doctrine or practice, but we should always approach one another with faith, hope and love.  Let us not be as some others majoring on the minors and neglecting the Truth in Love.  Love, acceptance and forgiveness are where unity is found and that is exactly where God commands His blessing.  I will not divide from others on the sole basis of doctrine.  Remember there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism.  So always seek to unite rather than divide!
                     Love and …..
                Kirk Out !

How Far Is Too Far?

Greetings,

“Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.”  2nd Corinthians 3: 17

Nearly six years ago when I was praying and seeking the Lord concerning the possibility of starting this blog, Jesus showed me several objectives.  The one I want to talk about today is freedom.  This blog is supposed to be a free and open place where non-traditional followers of Jesus can share the things the Lord has been showing them.  In large part I feel we have accomplished that goal.

However, today I am once again in the process of being rebuked by some who feel I have allowed too much freedom these past several years.  Words like heresy and false teaching are being used.  Some people say that by allowing different unorthodox comments and posts concerning the validity of certain parts of scripture…. and other “church” practices, that I am somehow endorsing and promoting gross error.  As always, with everyone, I will prayerfully consider what is being presented to me as my sin.  If the Lord convicts me of said sin I will then surely repent. However, right now I do not see things that way.  I have also been told by one to reject, avoid, and break fellowship with one of the people who has shared  difficult, unorthodox series of comments here in times past.

I will not break fellowship with anyone unless the Lord, Himself directs me to do so.  I am totally serious about my relationship with Jesus and those who follow Him.  Rejecting someone on the basis of several internet comments on a blog that was designed to foster dialogue concerning difficult problems in the Church today is not at all the way of Christ or HIS Body.

Just where are we supposed to talk about what scripture really says about true “church” leadership or ANYTHING else?  Some are fortunate enough to have fellowships free and open enough to handle such discussions, but the sad fact is that in most “churches” you would be condemned and judged for even questioning what scripture really says.  I firmly believe that the best way to deal with real or imagined heresy or error is to get it out into the open and expose it to the Light.  Then dialogue over it until some point of agreement can be made, even if that agreement is to end the discussion and possibly part ways for the time being.  Some say I am too “harsh” or “extreme” in my views and commentary on the sad state of the traditional/institutional “church” system, and too “free” and “open” where it comes to free and open, Spirit led fellowship.

Well, here we are now all out in the open.  I now willingly and publicly ask for your accountability in this matter.  To anyone who reads and follows this blog:  Do I allow things to go too far?  Have I sinned by giving questionable theology some free air time?  Or does all of our theology need to be questioned and pushed to the limits at times?  I say QUESTION AND TEST EVERYTHING!  GOD IS MORE THAN BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT!  If Luther and the other so called reformers did not question the church and its theology we might all still be Roman Catholics.  What does everyone have to say?  Please encourage or rebuke me with all authority?  I give you all free permission.  Please be free and share whatever you feel led to?

Love and …..

Kirk Out !

 

 

 

 

Growing Up In Fellowship, Not Religion

Greetings,
                      “Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.”  2 Timothy 2: 22
                      In less than 2 weeks my now 17 year old daughter, and baby of the family, Lydia graduates from High school.  Until this year she was deeply involved in our middle school’s Five Star program.  Five Star is a voluntary character building and equipping program that focuses on 5 key points.  Those important points are Respect, Responsibility, Sacrifice, Courage, and Integrity.   As a participant, Lydia was the only one out of 150 students to earn the Integrity award and she earned it for a record 3 times.  She excelled as a participant and now has become an excellent facilitator with the help of the Lord.  In fact she became their first head coach ever under the age of 21 and she served 2 years in that capacity.  The coordinator told me that Lydia was a very special and gifted child; and that she was excellent in supporting and serving her peers and students.  He also noted that she was adept in developing relationships.
                      None of this surprised me, but to hear such praise of my child did bring me great joy.   To me this totally affirmed the effectiveness of totally free & open, Spirit led relational fellowship.  All my children were born and raised totally outside of traditional/institutional “church” or religion.  My children did not grow up in Sunday school or youth group.  They grew up without sermons or conventional bible studies.  And guess what?  They turned out just fine.  I would say better than fine. Do they stumble at times?  Sure, but they sure love Jesus and allow Him to pick them back up every time.
                      All four of my children (ages 32, 28, 22, 17) grew up in totally open & free, Spirit led fellowship.  Their teacher has been The Holy Spirit teaching them directly or through Mom & Dad or the other followers of Jesus we have gathered with over the years.  To me the true test of any church style is the generational test or how well our children and grandchildren follow Jesus.  My children were raised to be free in Jesus and to follow The Spirit and no other Pastor or Leader.  They have not been programmed by the “church” system of Babylon.  They understand that every member of the Body is a gifted Priest before both man and God and I am so, so grateful for that.
                      Often the first question people wrestle with regarding leaving the traditional “church” for more relational fellowship is, “What will we do FOR the children?”  I say the much better question to ask is “What will we do WITH the children?”  True Church fellowship is about relationships and not programs or classes.  Both children and adults need deep intimate relationship with both God and their other family members in Christ to really ever grow up into maturity in Jesus.  This takes dialogue and interaction, face to face and heart to heart.  If we share the Truth in Love with one another instead of listening to preaching, teaching and other forms of monologue…we will grow up into HIM who is the Head…. as EACH part of the Body of Christ does its work.  Systems and programs, especially those that look only to recognized Pastors and Leaders for guidance and truth, will all eventually fail.
                       What we all need is relationship with Jesus and one another.  The institution of “church” can never really get you there.  It is impossible to make true, mature disciples, from a pulpit.  Sermons might give you some knowledge, but they cannot give you relationship with anyone; including Christ Himself.  However, when we share our entire lives with one another in a beautiful ongoing, life long, conversation we all learn and grow.  It is simple.  Live your life out loud in full view of Christ’s Body 24/7, giving your own life and love for the sake of others and you will become His disciple.  Don’t go to Church, BE the Church!  Be the family that He calls all of us to be.  Can’t be done in just an hour a week or with programs and sermons.  This one thing I know beyond the shadow of any doubt…It will cost you everything to follow Jesus and it will cost you everything if you don’t.  The choice is simple.  What will it be?  Living and active real relationships or old, dead religion?
                    Love and….
             Kirk Out !

Horrible And Shocking!

Greetings,

“A horrible and shocking thing has happened in the land: The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way.”  Jeremiah 5: 30-31

Wow!  I find it amazing how this Old Testament passage just pegs most of the modern Traditional/Institutional “church”.  Much of what is being taught and “prophesied” in the “church” at large these days falls way short of being the authentic Truth in Love.  Nowadays we see “The Purpose Driven Life” being lauded as the way to go;  instead of the Spirit led life.  We see the extremes of works righteousness and total, ultimate grace being presented as the truth with very little balance to be found.  As always the three fold mantra of “Go to church, pay your tithe, and read your bible” seems to reign supreme.  Along with “submit” to the Pastor’s authority.  Reading the bible can be an extremely productive thing except when they say it must be read always and solely through the lens of proper “church” leadership and doctrine.  To them the top down hierarchy of leadership must always be preserved and by doing so they cripple the Body of Christ.   They teach primarily the things that lead only to being in bondage to the modern “church” system of doing things.  Sure there may be some exceptions, but on the whole many lies are being shared and propagated in the “church” today.

Priests, Pastor’s and others who rule by their own authority are holding the Body Of Christ back in numerous ways.  Ruling is a major problem in the “church” today.  Because in the New Testament those who God calls to help lead the church are supposed to do so by serving and NOT by ruling.  And they should serve only by HIS authority and NOT their own.  The only chain of command found in the New Testament is that JESUS is the ONLY King, Ruler and Head of His Church and we all follow Him.  True servants serve in the Body of Christ and we should only follow them as they follow Christ.  I will not follow a human Leader, but I will follow the Christ I find in other sisters and brothers in the Lord as they go about following Him.

Does God ever get sad?  I know that Jesus wept and was a man of many sorrows.  I think it is very sad that God’s people love that prophets prophesy lies and that Leaders are doing so by their own authority.  How dysfunctional is that?  A church that fosters co-dependency on it’s human Leaders instead of full and total dependency on Christ and Christ alone; is a very unhealthy church indeed.  I often weep for the Church and pray that it shall one day return to Jesus who is it’s first and only true love.  Don’t settle for any human substitutes!  Claim only Jesus as your King, Shepherd, Lord and follow only Him first and foremost.

Love and …..

Kirk Out !