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Massively HUGE Grace

January 4, 2017

Greetings,

“When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.  He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; He took it away, nailing it to the cross.  And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.”  Colossians 2: 13-15

Wow, very heavy words!  What struck me hardest and most when reading this passage of scripture is that God made us alive with Christ even before we ever repented and believed in Him.  That just opens a huge can of theological worms, doesn’t it?  I mean while we were dead in our sins and all about our sinful nature, that is when He made us all alive and saved us.  All of this occurred before we ever confessed and asked Him into our lives.  According to this passage the cross was triumphant in our lives even before we ever acknowledged Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

Can it be that we were actually saved long before we ever knew it?  How does this passage fit in with Romans 10: 9 &10?  There it says that IF we confess and believe we will be saved. However, God is not restricted by time, so maybe the order in which we confess doesn’t really matter.  I still feel that we need to acknowledge Him and the work that He accomplished for us on the cross, but it seems to me that God had us firmly planted in the palm of His hand way before we did anything on our own accord to acknowledge or receive Him.

It seems to me that grace was given and applied well before we ever even had a clue as to who Christ really was.  HIS providence was in effect even before our cooperation was ever considered.  Don’t get me wrong I still feel we need to cooperate and work out our salvation with fear (a sense of awe and wonder) and trembling, but I will also say that the Grace of our Lord is immensely deeper and wider than almost any church has presented it in all of history. My current beliefs still fall a little short of fully endorsing the idea of Universal Reconciliation, but theologically, and socially my beliefs lean further left than they ever have.  I value relationship over doctrine any day.  Is that just because I am getting old, or is it yet another renewal of my heart and mind?  Either way I still say that Christ’s Grace is massively HUGE and we are all so very, very small.

Love and……

Kirk Out !

 

 

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31 Comments
  1. Amen Christopher!

    Another scripture which states the same thing is Romans 5:6-10

    6 ¶For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

    7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.

    8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

    10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

    And

    Ephesians 2: 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

    5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

    6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

    7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

    In all three of these passages, grace is administered while we were dead in our transgressions and sins. Nothing to do with anything we do at all. Salvation is all of grace.

    The passage from Philippians, for me, has a different twist. The words fear and trembling are “terror” and “quaking with fear” in Strong’s concordance. I read it this way: “working out your own salvation is in terror and trembling, (13) but it is God who works in you both to will (His will) and to do (the carrying out) of His good pleasure, that is, our salvation. If I have anything to do in salvation, I should be terrified. If I trust Him for my salvation, He wills it and does it.

    Anyway, that’s my take on it. We are in relationship with Him, you and I and all of us here which is the only real thing and the only thing that matters. You are so very correct in that. He loves us beyond measure, beyond death itself and whether we are all saved or not, we are in His love.

    Blessings,

    win

    • Win, thank you for adding to our discussion here today. You are much appreciated brother!

    • Jayne permalink

      “If I have anything to do in salvation, I should be terrified. If I trust Him for my salvation, He wills it and does it.”. Wow does this ever mske sense! Thank you Win 💜

      • Wow! I certainly want Jesus in 100% control and NOT me for sure.

  2. Christopher,

    Thanks for sharing these thoughts. This is the direction I’m now leaning as far as “salvation” totally being a work of God with no religious requirements. Never heard anyone really say it like this, nor have I been able to articulate my thoughts with any kind of support. In any case, the concept is staggering.

    If this is anywhere close to true, then it’s a game changer that completely eviscerates any religious attempt to control people’s thoughts or behavior.

    • Thanks for sharing Norm. I am certain that control and manipulation is the way of “men”, and freedom and grace is the way of Christ. I may not know much, but that I do know in my heart of hearts.

    • "BK" permalink

      ““salvation” totally being a work of God with no religious requirements.” Amen, Norm! amen. Hugz, “BK”

  3. Wongani Mvula permalink

    we are saved indeed by his grace ,had it been that he did not die on the cross to purify our sins,I don’t know what this world would have been like,if I take the current situation many people are engaged in sinful activities yet they hear the word of the Lord and we know that he died to save us .we need to handle with care this grace as an egg to prevent it from falling.

  4. "BK" permalink

    Excellent! Excellent! So many people tell me you CAN’T just leave our ‘responsibility’ out of it. But, like Win and Chris, I see this being done without my permission or consult. I love Romans 5:10. Works? Well works can’t help but happen as grace abounds. Our very NATURE is now like our heavenly Father’s and as His life now freely flows to us we ‘act’ like Him….not because we are told we have to or be killed (law) but because it’s just who we are. Great stuff. Thank you

  5. daryl permalink

    Just a few thoughts I have…I definitely do not believe the Scriptures teach Universal Reconciliation if by that ,it is implied that all men will be saved.God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ,but only those who receive Him are reconciled to Him.God’s relation to the world is such that now,because of Christs death on the cross,He is completely just in justifying,forgiving,etc. any who do no more than put their faith in Christ.No one will be lost because of their sins,but only by rejecting Christ. Unbelief is not simply “another sin”lumped together with all other others. It is a willful rejection of the only cure for sin.The clear teaching is that men are condemned or not condemned on the basis of their believing or not believing in Christ.(John 3) I believe that only the elect will be saved but at the same time,”whosoever will may come”,and God is not willing that any should perish. No one will spend eternity in hell who can say “I had not the chance to believe and be saved”…and no one will spend eternity with God who can say “I deserve this”. It is amazing to think about! None of us who are saved “knew” of our salvation(and maybe didn’t even care) until we believed…yet it is true that we were chosen in him before the creation of the world!(Eph.1:4) And none of us know family,friends,or those around us who yet may receive Christ. This I think is why it is so important and emphasized to those of us who have believed,that we live by the Spirit and keep in step with Him…as salvation is all of Him and not our “efforts”. Some things are difficult to comprehend and I am reminded of Paul’s words …oh the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!How unsearchable his judgments and his paths beyond tracing out!Who has known the mind of the Lord?or who has been his counselor?Who has ever given to God that God should repay him? For from him andthrough him and to him are all things.To him be the glory forever!Amen. (Rom. 11:33-36)

    • Daryl, thank you for sharing your portion here to be weighed and considered.

    • "BK" permalink

      Hi, Daryl….I have an honest question for you, sincerely not baited. You said “God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ,but only those who receive Him are reconciled to Him.” I wondered how you explain Romans 5:10 where it says this reconciliation was done while I was still His enemy…certainly not yet having ‘received Him’. I admit to believing, after years of study and consideration, that Jesus did save all men but I am also willing to continue considering the things others who don’t see it that way have to say when they are willing to discuss it. I thank you in advance, both for your answer, and for your precious spirit…….”BK”

      • daryl permalink

        “BK” ,sorry for late response…I did not see your question.As I see it,all men are reconciled to God by Christ’s death in the sense that they need not be separated from God because Jesus “paid it all”,no more sacrifice ever needed.IT’s provisional and potential.If they reject Christ,it never becomes actual. I admit there does seem to be difficulty with clarity,but to me there are far too many scriptures concerning salvation and people needing it,some receiving Christ,some not,some entering the kingdom,some not…to believe that all people will be saved no matter what. Jesus told nicodemus that he must be born again.(John 3;7) Why bother if all are going to be saved anyway? In John 17 Jesus prays for believers that they all may be one and brought to complete unity so that the world might believe and know that God sent him and loved them. If all men were going to be saved,why would he pray that? I apologize if this sounds sarcastic…not my intent,but i feel the overwhelming evidence of scripture is that all men are NOT saved,though Jesus died for all. From what I know from things you have written,it is in your heart that all men would be saved and that is certainly the spirit we all should have.

      • ” From what I know from things you have written,it is in your heart that all men would be saved and that is certainly the spirit we all should have.”
        Daryl, that is the kindest disagreement I Have ever seen. Thanks bro!

  6. tom ball permalink

    I see this as Christ has paid the price to purchase our eternal freedom. We, however, must choose to climb down off the sale rack and follow Him.

    • Thank you for Sharing Tom. So the Gospel is confrontational…it requires a response?

  7. I believe we are all born saved from the death of sin. As your chosen scripture indicates. I believe any “saving” that comes after that is really simply an acknowledgment of the reality of that. Now the relationship with God begins… (and the fun)

    That’s pretty much how it worked out with me- God said, “Follow me”. I did. He never mentioned anything about confessing my sins. That came later- I read all about it on the front page of a miniature Gideon’s Bible. Spoke that prayer of confession, signed and dated on the dotted lines. Don’t remember my relationship changing much because of it. Cept for the creeping in of religion…

    Been sweeping that crap out for years!! Ha!

    A number of years ago Jesus spoke directly to my heart-” I no longer call you servant- why behave and think like one? You are my FRIEND!!” (John15:15) So, I changed hats. Started thinking and acting like a friend. Which is why I have arrived at the state of mind I am presently living in. And enjoying the friendship I have with the Creator of the universe.

    jayne, friend of God

    • Jayne, thank you so much for sharing your portion of the Truth in Love here today. Jesus came to me when I was 4 and just asked me to trust Him and I have followed Him ever since and He has taught me much along the way.

    • "BK" permalink

      Hi, Jayne….good to hear from you here! It was the same for me in my beginning. In fact, I don’t remember a ‘beginning’….my earliest memories are sitting in a swing talking to God. In 3rd grade I got one of those little new testaments and was reading Matt 27 and remember loving Him so much as I read about His crucifixion and wanting to follow Him. Religion came later and my personal relationship from Him saved me in the years to come….including leading me back out! I like the friend experience. I remember having a vision of seeing Him once and I fell at His feet and He stood me up saying, “Stand up! You can’t do anything lying there on your face! Walk WITH Me!” There was probably more but that was what I got out of the experience. Like Christopher said once, He wants to be yoked WITH us….BESIDE US…..not ahead or over, BESIDE. Beautiful stuff, love, “BK”

  8. Gloria permalink

    It must be time for me to actually start reading your posts when I get notifications, since I just did and I feel like I just stepped into a home full of Jesus huggers. 3ish weeks ago I sat in my driveway in my car and in angry tears told God that there is no way that any part of my salvation could require me to be responsible to do anything other than believe.i walked away from organized religion 30 years ago, rejecting man’s law in my life. I left it but it never fully left me. I am sooo done!

    The frustrating electrical problems I was having with my car had nothing to do with my tears and prayer but served as a perfect analogy and I know he knew what I meant when I said emphatically, “I want a horse!”

    • Wow Gloria, welcome to the site! Love you sister!

    • "BK" permalink

      Gloria, BEAUTIFUL!!!! Welcome! I sure look forward to when you put more of your portion on the table. It tastes beautiful, “BK”

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