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Pastors, Platforms, and Pulpits

December 21, 2016


“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned.  Keep away from them.  For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites.  By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.  Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.”  Romans 16: 17-19

The biggest and worst division in the church today is the Clergy/Laity divide and anyone who promotes or serves that division is putting a huge obstacle in the way of sincere followers of Jesus.  This division calls some of us gifted Ministers and leaves the rest of us as passive listeners and pew warmers.  This divide denies every member ministry and does not allow for the Priesthood of all believers.  The Body of Christ should never be divided in this or any other manner.

We need to be careful around people who participate in and promote this ungodly division in the church.  Any system that separates us into different categories like Clergy/Laity, Leader/follower, speaker/listener and gifted/non-gifted should be avoided and exposed as divisive and wrong.  According to Jesus we are all just brothers, sisters  and peers in the Body of Christ and no believer should ever be over and above another believer.

Our obedience to Christ in these and all matters is extremely important to the health of The Body Of Christ.  Sermons and monologues deny us of the dialogue and rich interaction that The Body needs in order to be healthy and well rounded under Christ.  We are supposed to be wise about every good thing, like every member ministry, and innocent concerning evil things like divisions in His church.

We are all equals and peers in the eyes of God and we should not allow mere “men” to rise up among us and damage our unity in Christ just because they want to dominate our gatherings and share lengthy monologues or sermons filled with smooth talk.  In Jesus we all have a message to share freely with others and we can all take turns sharing our hearts with the rest of the Body whenever we gather.  Because interactive gatherings are how we best learn from both Him and one another.  We need one another in the Body of Christ.  Iron needs to sharpen iron in all of our lives and we need to honor the fact that we are ALL iron and in need of mutual sharpening.  Too many times “men” try to sharpen and disciple others from the pulpit like they are THE sharpening stone and everyone else is a blunt knife.  This simply is not the best way for the church to function.  All things, including discipleship, should be done in a relational and conversational manner with mutual sharing and not any sort of a top down system.  Pastors, Platforms and Pulpits do not foster relationship with one another or with HIM.  Face to face, heart to heart, and eye to eye are the best ways to relate to one another and effectively BE the church; and BEING the church is a whole lot better than just GOING to one.

Love and…..

Kirk Out !






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  1. So true. The clergy/laity divide might be the most detrimental practice in Christianity.

  2. thanks Chris, another post that confirms many of my thoughts about the institutional body of believers.

  3. Judy Baker permalink

    I’ve heard about the division of the Methodist Church, half want gays n lesbians to marry and teach in the Churches..other half stay by the Bible. Many have left the Church. It’s like the Bible says – they want their ears tickled. Woe to them that change one word in the Bible.
    You hear about so much corruption in Churches. Preachers stealing money for years. Not letting the members see the books as to where the money is going. These church members got an attorney and sued to see the books.. The preacher left and the church members dissolved. ( my grandson’s church)
    It’s a common problem. I can see where small groups of sincere people can share and learn together with Holy Spirit as was done in Jesus’ days.

    • Thanks for sharing Judy. It is very sad, but that is what happens when the church operates like a business instead of a family. Small and simple and sincere is defintiely what I like best.

  4. Amy j permalink

    Thank you for the encouragement! Psalm 133;
    Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity. It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down the skirts of his garments; As the dew of Hermon , and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion; for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life forevermore. There is safety when we function together in unity in the body. As we learn to flow together, it becomes natural for brothers & sisters to share within the meeting. One may have a song, a dance, an uplifting scripture, a burden to share from the scriptures. This is how we grow in the Spirit. Thank you Kirk for bringing the reality of Christ so others may be touched.

    Amy J

    • I love that Psalm Amy. Thanks for sharing. It really is a great blessing when sisters and brothers can flow in the unity of the Spirit together. I just love free and open Spirit led gatherings where all can share what the Lord lays on their hearts.

  5. Most of us have grown up in the traditional church system. We go to a building once a week and sit there listening to another human tell us about God. Fortunately I have come to realize that this is not what God intended. His Church is us and Jesus is the head. People are equally functioning parts of the body but none of us have superiority over anyone else. Thanks for this article showing us that that clery/laity divide is not what should be happening when we gather together but a time of each body member sharing and participating, all under the guidance of the Spirit. Good article.

    • You’re welcome DoneWithReligion. Thank you for sharing your experience. I am so glad you found your way to Christ outside of the system of “men”.

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