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Why Do We Do What We Do?

May 5, 2014

Greetings,

“See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principals of this world rather than on Christ.”  Colossians 2: 8

Human traditions and worldly principals?  There we have much of the “Church” today.  Instead of depending on Christ alone; the Church has its multitude of traditions and it holds onto them with a super death grip.

Some of these crippling traditions are as follows:

 1.  Calling the bible The Word of God.  This is a tradition developed by the church in the past 300 years.  It elevates the bible to a place equal or higher than The Holy Spirit and allows those who read best to manipulate and control the masses.  Please take note…the bible itself never claims that it is The Word of God and in fact it shows that Jesus Himself is The Word.  Anyone who says we are to be bible led, denies the rightful place of The Spirit in our lives.  The bible does indeed contain words of God, but in itself it is not The Word of God.  The Bible was never meant to be a rule book that is used to dominate others.

2.  Calling the building where we meet The Church.  The whole idea that we can GO to Church is a terrible tradition.  The Church is comprised of the people who follow Christ.  This Church is the people and NEVER the building where they happen to meet.  Don’t Go To Church, BE The Church!

3.  Tithing is a terrible tradition.  It was a requirement in the Old Covenant, but is no longer in Christ.  Now it is done only as a tradition.  It was used to support the Levitical Priesthood, but now in the New Covenant we are all Priests.  Sure we should be cheerful givers, but to widows and orphans and such and not Clergy and building programs.

4.  Another crippling tradition says that leadership is male.  This fallacy places men over women and denies females of their God given places in the body of Christ.  It is supposed to be The Priesthood of ALL Believers and not just males.  We are all supposed to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

5.  Any tradition such as The Clergy/Laity division that allows for any hierarchy within the church comes exclusively from the teachings of men and Not God.  In Christ we all will have times when we take the lead in fellowship as The Spirit inspires us.  There is not a separate class of Christ followers that are OVER all other followers of Jesus.  Yes, I rail against this one a lot.

6.  The most recent tradition of men that has plagued the Church is the corporate business model of doing church.  In this model The Pastor is the CEO of the church and he has a board of other “leaders” and together they control the church.  The motivating factors of this tradition are money and prestige; and we all know that whoever controls the money also controls the vision of the “church”.

There are certainly other traditions of men that limit the effectiveness of the church, but I will stop here for now.  I will say this though….ANYTHING that would have us depend on something other than Jesus is faulty and wrong.  Too many churches are more about building projects and storing up treasures here on earth then they are about being true to the message of Jesus and the cross.  He wants all of us to be renewed and turned away from the things of earth, so that we can instead follow Him rather than the traditions of men.  Traditions serve only themselves; we are to love and serve all people. Relationships matter way more than ANY tradition.   I do not do anything for the sake of tradition.  I do what I do because JESUS leads me to PERIOD; and if He does it more than once that is just great too.  Is it now time for you to ask yourself why you do what you do?  If your reasons are based on something other than Christ and Christ alone…I suggest that you change your mind and your behaviors. 

Love and…..

Kirk Out !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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28 Comments
  1. Could not have said it any better than you did here. Good article.

  2. Deanna permalink

    YES! Right on Cap’n!

  3. Recently I came across a one-sentence quotation from Socrates, by (believe it or not) a great past Captain of the Springbok (South African) rugby team: “The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” I’m putting this out there for myself and all who have left the institutional for Jesus. I think we need a balance – exposing the old and revealing the new.

    Blessings to all.

    • "BK" permalink

      Words of wisdom, Erroll, and I thank you for them. In my journey I have found people are established in Christ by being built up on who He is, not who and what He isn’t. I do also have to say there are times for tearing down, as long as the building up follows. A fine line sometimes. Good to hear from you, brother. Thank you, “BK”

  4. 1. Calling the bible The Word of God. This is a tradition developed by the church in the past 300 years. (this is an untrue statement…Paul and Peter bothe elevated the Scriptures and the entire New Testament is replete with Old Testament passages that are for our instruction and illumination) It elevates the bible to a place equal or higher than The Holy Spirit and allows those who read best to manipulate and control the masses. ( This statement is untrue as the Holy Spirit enlightens and illuminates by the Scriptures…as far as our understanding goes, we are to study to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word) Please take note…the bible itself never claims that it is The Word of God and in fact it shows that Jesus Himself is The Word.( The Scriptures DO claim to be the word of God) Anyone who says we are to be bible led, denies the rightful place of The Spirit in our lives. (Once again, an untrue statement as the Holy spirit always leads in accordance with scripture) The bible does indeed contain words of God, but in itself it is not The Word of God. The Bible was never meant to be a rule book that is used to dominate others.(True, the Bible is not a rule book to dominate others but, through proper understanding it is meant to admonish and instruct and reprove)…This man is a false teacher who builds a staw man to tear at the validity of the scriptures.

    • escapefromchurchianity, Interesting screen name. Especially because you spout the same ideas concerning the bible that those in traditoinal/institutional churchianity do. You accuse me of being a false teacher, but this is not the case whatsoever. I value the bible very much, but refuse to lift it up to the point of it being equal with God Himself. To do so is nothing less than idolatry. Would you care to identify yourself by your real name? I appreciate that you took the time to comment. Hopefully we can have some productive dialogue that would benefit all involved? We need to move beyond accusations and name calling for that to happen.

      Love,

      Christopher

    • Reformed by the Spirit permalink

      escapefromchurch….I have no idea how you can take words of man, albeit inspired by God, and elevate it higher than God. That is foolish. You seem possibly educated. Have you not learned that the creation is never higher than the Creator? For you to suggest such a thing is an act of heresy.

      It is obvious to me that you are simply trying to find fault in everything that Chris is presenting. I strongly suggest that you read more of what he writes and take it into a better consideration. I also strongly suggestion that you understand the difference between written word and spoken/understood word. Let God speak to your heart….God builds up…knowledge puffs up. I, personally, prefer not to be full of hot air. Yes, it may elevate you for a time, but the fall can be horrific.

      • Where in my comment did you read of any implication that I elevate the Bible (which you call “words of man”, higher than God? also, I did not find fault with everything that was presented, did I? My comment make it clear that I DO understand the difference between the ‘written’ and the ‘spoken’ word. You, on the other hand, have even misquoted 1st Corinthians 8:1, showing your personal knowledge and regard for Scripture. I did not even comment on his point #4, which would callfor a total disregard for most of 1st Timothy chapter 2. To denegrete the written word is to eliminate a pumbline which allows for any and everything that is purported to be of/from the Holy Spirit bringing or allowing for confusion. This is a dangerous and untenable position

    • "BK" permalink

      Hello, Escape. I actually am only going to respond once to your post unless you want to answer Chris’ several requests of identifying yourself. The early Christians gave their lives because they didn’t hide who they were…they were not afraid to make their stand, state their case and be known who they were. His request is not unreasonable. So, if you want to enter into dialogue here you should honor his request. If not, I don’t dialogue with ghosts.

      While I do sometimes feel Chris goes out on a limb with how he sounds when discussing the Bible, it would be good to take note of the advice given you here of taking a look at what he says over time and you’ll see his does not discount it in any way….other than tearing down the idol others have made it to be. Having said that, let’s take a look at your comments on his musings.

      Chris, himself, quotes verses from the Bible, often at the beginning of every blog he writes. Wouldn’t that be some indication that he values it? I don’t see Paul or Peter ‘elevating’ the scriptures, they simply quote them….to the Jews. It would be worth noting that when Paul was with idol worshippers he didn’t quote scriptures, but rather defined Christ to them by what THEY considered holy…their idol to the ‘unknown God’. When we can realize they built from the common ground and understanding of where they were, then we can see it isn’t ‘elevation’, it’s ‘relating’ to the present understanding.

      It really isn’t about studying the scriptures, but studying what GOD is saying at any given time through any given medium….if it’s the Bible, great, if not, then let’s watch and see what He is saying through those around us, our circumstances, etc.

      Could you show me where the scriptures day they are the Word of God? That’s an honest request.

      I have to say in my own experience the Holy Spirit has led me in what was directly AGAINST my understanding of what the Bible says. So, yes, it leads in accordance with the Scriptures, but unfortunately my understanding has needed adjustment by Him along the way. That’s why it has to be Spirit explaining the scriptures; not the other way around.

      You’re pretty fast on the draw to proclaim Chris to be a false prophet, tearing the validity of the scriptures. Again, perhaps you should get to know him a bit more, and read a little longer before so quickly throwing out such a judgement.

      And, lastly, remember, if you want to dialogue on this then identify yourself a bit as requested. Otherwise may the seed sown here find root and that which is from God sprout in the vein of revelation along your journey. “BK”

  5. Maybe just be a fellowship partner to all, and just love all, without condemnation, and let each see for themselves, for all the do believe Father will draw them to him through Son, you think, Glad top be a fellowship partner to all as called

  6. Escape from c….When have I ever called the bible the mere “words of man”? The bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and I would never deny that. You seem to be talking past me. What is your name and where do you come from? The bible is NOT the “pumbline” GOD Himself is! There is no other mediator other than Christ alone.

    • My comments were a reply to Reformed by the Spirit’s comments…I also need to correct my spelling…plum-line, not pumbline. Yes, Jesus is the only mediator and I have not stated otherwise…Please comment on 1st Timothy 2 …This is who I am https://escapefromchurchianity.wordpress.com/

      • If the Spirit of Christ is the “only mediator” then He is also the only plum line.” I follow a Person and not a book!

      • Reformed by the Spirit permalink

        ok..,.you win.

      • “…I also need to correct my spelling…plum-line, not pumbline.” Hm-m-m. Maybe you were intending to write “plumbline”?

  7. Debi Buck permalink

    How-deeeeee!! welll, guys…first of all…it isn’t a “plum” line, but since a plum is fruit, maybe it should be, lol. It is “PLUMB line”…(check it out). http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plumb%20line

    Escape…here is your post from your website; “5. I believe that the Jewish and Christian scriptures of the Old and New Testament are given by inspiration of God, and are thus, when properly understood and applied, profitable and authoritative to the disciple in all matters pertaining to life and godliness.”

    I really don’t think that Chris would find your statement as it stands to be very objectionable, the way it reads to me.

    Now, as to whether or not that “written word” is the be-all and end all, or “plumbline” as you have called it, yes…he is going to take exception to that. The Holy Spirit was the arbiter of Jesus’s hearing from the Father. Did Jesus “use” scripture? Yep. Did He carry a bible, hold bible studies, and even demand from His disciples that they set up “bible studies in every town”?

    NO.

    I think it’s pretty clear that a book that has only been available to the masses for a few hundred years has spawned more religions than the previous thousands of years combined. And that because men use it as a personal wooden and/or stone idol from which to spout their carnal ideas based on what THEY “think/beleive” it “Says”…

    The bible doesn’t “SAY” anything…it’s like Jeff Dunham’s wooden dummy, and whoever is the latest ventroliquist is throwing THEIR voice into and making it SPEAK whatever THEY wish. God, however, will speak into us what we need to hear and know when we need it. Using a book as a crutch to lean on means you don’t have enough faith to walk along and listen to the Holy Spirit, and you need that stick to lean on instead.

    (There’s my 2 cents….) Love ya, Chris. And Escape…nice blog. But seriously, “be established in present truth” dude. THAT’S in the bible, and there is always new wine replacing the old, and old manna breeds worms. So keep that in mind when you start talking about “the old paths”.

    • In the beginning God created man in His (God’s) image and likeness. Ever since then, man seems to be struggling mightily to recreate God in his (man’s) image and likened. How’s he (man) doing?

      • "BK" permalink

        Sometimes I think the verse in Isaiah “his visage was marred more than any mans” applies to what mankind has done in his attempts to recreate in our own likeness. Good thoughts. Thanks, Bob, “BK”

  8. Spring S permalink

    May God judge between you…

  9. Ramma permalink

    All I know is that every man seems to be right in his own eyes and when we start trying to persuade anyone to believe this or that, or they are right or wrong, etc,… then the spirit that we are portraying is now a human one. Chris is sowing the seed that God has given him to sow, as you all are doing likewise. The Spirit of God will not try to tear down, etc…….it has to be in love. example: Brother/Sister……..I don’t quite see it like you do…….would you consider?….”
    When I read dialogue that starts to do what’s happened here, I wonder, do you have a life? Why do you hide behind the internet? Even when asked to reveal himself, he sent you to his webpage and still didn’t reveal himself. I don’t understand.
    Keep sowing Brother Chris. God bless all.

  10. Blogs are amazing sometimes. When you read the comments you can learn a lot about people…especially when they feel threatened. I think escape from churchianity maybe went to far in calling the author a false teacher, but that sure did ‘bring it on’, so to speak. You even have one commenter calling the Bible a crutch and others demanding his Idenity before any responce. Even a spelling contest ensues. This is crazy conduct for people that claim Christ. I personally feel that the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit go hand in hand…confirming each other. Escape did ask a good question that no one tried to answer though. How do you justify the statements in point #4 in the light of 1st Timothy chapter 2?…Just saying…Blessings

  11. Johnny T. The following is my answer to 1 Tim 2:
    Greetings,

    “There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, and then was a widow until she was eighty four. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem.” Luke 2: 36-38

    Here we have New Testament biblical evidence of a female prophet.

    “He (Apollos) began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately.” Acts 18: 26

    “Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.” Romans 16: 3-4

    Right here in the text again, as plain as day, Priscilla taught and instructed Apollos in the ways of the Lord. Paul also says right out front that Priscilla was his fellow worker in Christ Jesus. The scriptural evidence points to this fact…Priscilla was a pastor/teacher. I have also read somewhere that Priscilla might perhaps be the author of the book of Hebrews.

    “Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.” Romans 16: 7

    Right there in black and white is Junia…yes a female apostle. Paul was in prison for sharing the Gospel and it is likely that Junia was there with him for the same reason.

    To me it is extremely clear that God gifts, places and uses women to serve and lead in His Church. This truth is confirmed both in scripture and also in my 35 years of serving Jesus in totally free and open, Spirit led, relational fellowships. To me, if you deny women their God -given right to total equality in the Church, even in regards to that thing some call leadership… you sin against not only women, but also The Lord Himself. Any hierarchy in the Church is wrong and sinful, including the one that always places men over women.

    “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3: 26-28

    In Christ we are now all one. This means we no longer are to be divided by nationality, working or social class, gender or anything else. To say one group is superior than another goes directly against our oneness in Him. In Christ we are all equals and Jesus can use ANY one of us to lead whenever He desires. Why disqualify 50% of the Body from service? Because men only ministry is the tradition of most of the “church”. It is one of the traditions that nullifies the Word and cripples the Body. I strongly believe in following those who follow the Lord, even if that person is a woman. I thank God for female leaders in my life. I would not be who I am in Christ without them.

    Love and…..

    Kirk Out !

    P.s. Everyone shares and serves in our relational fellowships..so this is rarely an issue among us.

    • Johnny Truth permalink

      I get what you are saying…Just want your take on 1st Timothy 2. What was Paul saying and why? Don’t think you can support Pricilla as the author of Hebrews though, but we can just leave that one alone…

      • "BK" permalink

        Hello, Johnny. It was me who said I didn’t want to engage dialogue with Escaped unless they were willing to identify themself; I am sorry if that offended you. It is just so flies in the face of those who have laid their lives down (and lost them) because of standing up and speaking what they believe without anonominity (sp?) I really don’t feel threatening or insulting when I tell them that.

        I did a study once on submission according to the Biblical references people so often use. I will include here what I found in looking a little deeper into I Timothy 2 (sparing you the whole study). Believing that a man’s (person’s) gift makes room for them I don’t feel any need to justify and insist on women’s rights. In fact, the often quoted verse out of Galatians used to justify a woman’s ‘place’…in Christ there is neither male nor female…actually leaves BOTH genders out. There is definitely a realm of Spirit where the authority of the anointing prevails regardless of the vessel it flows through. Anyway, here are my notes from I Timothy 2. I hope you find them helpful. “BK”

        I Tim. 2:11-15 “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection”. silence #2271 in Strongs feminine of #2272 “stillness” i.e. desistance from bustle or language; quietness, stillness #2272 “keeping one’s seat” (sedentary) by implication: still, undisturbed, undisturbing. The thought here is not ‘don’t say a word’, the thought is to show respect, LISTEN, don’t cause a disturbance. Subjection #5293, again the same as referred to in I Pet. 5:1-7, where it is clear every member of the body is to subject to the Christ in the other. Every member. Sisters, it is high time to stop being offended that Paul gives specific instruction to us! He also gave the same specific instruction to the general body. IT IS UNSEEMLY to vaunt ourselves, press our way, whether male or female. It is also useless and carnal to point fingers at the brothers and demand them to “give place to women,” or brothers to demand ‘submission’…submission is a message for everyone. We submit to the ANOINTING.
        “A man’s gift will make room for him…”. It is up to God to anoint and open doors. Even as we consider vs. 7 in the context of the foregoing verses In I Pet 5, “casting all your cares upon Him…” we see the “cares” he is speaking of in this entire chapter is submission, one to another…everyone. Care #3308 from 3307 (through the idea of distraction) solicitude: care 3307 from 3313 to part, i.e. (lit) to apportion, bestow, share or (fig) to disunite, differ;–deal, be different, between, distribute, divide, give part
        3313 an obsolete but more prim. Form of (to get as a section or allotment); a division or share—behalf, coast, course, craft, particular… Sooo, as we feel distracted, fearful of submitting to each part of the Body, we don’t disunite but we cast that care to Jesus, knowing & trusting HE is the head. I Cor. 12: all vs, esp. 11, 27

        The scripture in I Tim. 2 goes on to say a woman should not usurp authority over the man. I was meditating on this verse when the Lord spoke to me. He said, “The key word here is usurp. It does not say a woman cannot have authority, its says she may not usurp authority.” So, I dashed home to check it out and sure enough, the word “authority” is not even in the original writing at all! But usurp is as follows: #831 (a worker) to act of oneself i.e. (fig.) dominate. From #846 akin to the idea of a baffling wind…self, self, self [it has a long list of “selfs” here]. The Concordant Literal defines usurp as domineer: “one who consults himself in his actions towards others.” The message is clear – whether natural or spiritualizing the language to the soul. The word silence again is the same as aforementioned…don’t let your speaking be from being unsettled or riled up, but from the Spirit. The subject, as always, is showing respect to one another.

        We are told a woman is to learn in silence and subjection because she makes decisions from her emotions, whereas a man from his mind, thereby making him more responsible. The Lord reminded me as I studied and meditated on the reality of true submission I need to remember BOTH the mind and emotions are parts of the soul (“her). Both men and women must press beyond their soul to the realm of Spirit where God’s decision will come forth. I Thess. 4:4 Luke 21:19 His carnal thinking or her emotions will neither one come to the right solution.

  12. Johnny Truth permalink

    Very good BK…BTW, your responce gives creedence to the authority of the Scriptures…exactly what the author disavows here and in his latest blog post…The Lord bless you

  13. "BK" permalink

    Thanks. I guess we differ in how we read what Chris wrote (plus I have known him personally for many years so that may give me a bit more insight into the ‘what’ of what he is saying). I don’t hear him discredit them (not even in his most recent post) but to bring to the forefront they are not a ‘part of the Godhead’ we worship; nor the ‘final’ say. It is always the Spirit and I agree with him on that. He quotes lots of scriptures as you will see along the way. Thanks for your own kind words. Love, “BK”

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