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How WE Make Disciples

March 4, 2014


“Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.”  Ephesians 5: 21

I quote this verse today because Jorge made a thought provoking statement in a comment on a long ago blog.  He said this…..”Without submission there is no discipleship.”  I believe there is truth in that statement, but not in the way Jorge intended it.

 When Jesus gave “The Great Commission” He made it very clear that a primary purpose of the Church was to “make disciples” or to help others develop a deep and meaningful relationship with God.  The traditional “church” is failing miserably at this because they think it can be done by right preaching, teaching and correct doctrine.  Few, if any, disciples can be made from a pulpit; but that is their main plan.

 The only way to make true disciples is via personal relationship.  If you open up and share your very life with someone, you then are given the opportunity to share the gospel too.  In healthy relationships there is always mutual submission and a free & open exchange of convictions, thoughts and ideas.  The key is that we come alongside each other and never seek a place above someone else.  We should never forget that in Christ we are all sibling peers.  Differently gifted at times, but still mutual peers at all times.

Jesus desires that His Church would operate in total unity and love.  This can never happen where a human hierarchy exists.  Because when there are offices and positions that place some Christ followers over and above other Christ followers there is no true unity.  How can we ever be ONE in Christ unless everything is mutual and shared, including leadership?  Never forget that everyone in His Church is gifted and called.  If we would truly submit to one another out of reverence for Christ…. the Church would be transformed and new disciples would be made every day.  The way we overcome and grow is brother to brother, sister to sister, friend to friend, and NOT Pastor to congregation.  We need each other in the Body of Christ.  Cast down all your crowns and titles and seek His face today in one accord.

Love and…..

Kirk Out !




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  1. Debi Buck permalink

    In my mind, there is a huge difference between making disciples, and making “converts”. You might succeed in “converting” someone by presenting material that makes one change ones mind about something, but making disciples, to me, means to actively participate in helping to nurture and equip and grow someone able to actually FOLLOW (in behavior) Christ. Organized churches may make babies with their “semen-ary” sperm-donor types of ministers, but CHILDREN are made by continual growth and constant loving care of them, and mature parents “raising them up” right. I’d say that the current slang terms “baby-daddy” and “baby-momma” showed up right on time, in terms of what the Churchianity is actually doing in the religious realm. Just churning out religious offspring, and letting the gubment (false church system) take care of them. Can anyone else see this in the spirit realm?

  2. Right on Debi! What you say here is quite true. The modern “church” is more concerned about making tithers than true disciples.

  3. Those that are seeking Christ, Father reveals Christ. Remember when the disciples complained about those that were casting out demons in Christ’s name. Jesus leave them alone for Satan casting out Satan can’t stand.
    Matthew 12:26
    If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
    Then also what Paul said from Jail. that he glories in both those that preach in sincerety and those that do not, for Christ is preached.
    Remembering this as well for it is God that causes his to stand, not man

    So yes we all submit to someone, something or God

    Yes no discipleship without submitting to, so the ? is whom God or man, and many now a days to no one but self, after experiencing this cruel lying, evil world, and not seeing God’s love for them personally, in unselfish Mercy at the cross for all the people to be anew in Spirit of God and not of the flesh, were all evil is, has been condemned to:
    Romans 8:3

    New International Version (NIV)

    3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[a] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[b] And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

  4. "BK" permalink

    I’ve been pondering so much about this again lately. What about elders, leaders….does their ‘lack of presence’ hinder the ekklesia as some say? The Lord spoke very plainly to me and said, “I said I will build My church on each one receiving personal revelation from the Father….NOT ‘I will build My church on elders and leaders.'” Wow, amen, Lord! “BK”

  5. "BK" permalink

    I forgot I wanted to comment on this sentence too, ” Differently gifted at times, but still mutual peers at all times.” I thought that was an excellent way to put it. That’s where it is hard to differentiate sometimes, that people DO have giftings, but that doesn’t make them ‘over’ anybody. CHRIST is the HEAD of the body. We respect when a gifting is present, but the submission is to the anointing, Christ, not the person operating in any gift.

    The other day Ken mentioned something and it has stuck with me in the pondering stage. “It doesn’t say Jesus is the Head of the body; it says CHRIST….the anointing.” Hmmmmmmm, still pondering that statement.
    Jesus is seated bodily at the right hand of the Father (the resurrected Jesus) and is within His body through the SPIRIT. When the Spirit ‘anoints’ any member then we ‘submit’ to the headship of “Christ”. Jesus’ name was not Jesus Christ; it was Jesus and Christ simply means anointed one.
    Hmmmmmmmm, still thinking on this. Love, “BK”

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