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USA? No, Not Really

May 27, 2013

Greetings,

“But our citizenship is in heaven.  And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,…”   Philippians 3: 20

As I sit here and write this blog it is memorial day here in the USA.  This is the day where we remember our loved ones who have passed on before us, especially those who were in the military and died to protect our nation’s freedom.  This is the day we watch or march in parades, salute the American flag, and place flowers on the graves of those we have lost.

To be totally honest I am not much of a patriot and never have been.  Don’t get me wrong, I am very thankful for the freedoms we enjoy here in the USA and I appreciate those who have died defending our country.  Heck, when I was young I even served in the US army and received an honorable discharge.  I have never been big on guns, but in basic training I was rated as an expert with the M-16 and was the top marksman in our company.  However, my favorite memory of training at Fort Knox was that they were filming the movie comedy “Stripes” with Bill Murray while I was there.  Our unit even got to march in the background in several scenes.  That is as close as I ever got to being a movie star.

Back on topic…like I said I am not a patriot.  In fact I feel that much of what we call patriotism borders on idolatry, especially in the USA.  To many the love of country ranks equal or above the love of God.  In many “churches” the love of country is completely intertwined with the love of God to the point it is nearly impossible to separate the two.

I am not anti-America, but I do claim that my sole citizenship is in heaven and not the USA.  Because of this I personally refuse to say the pledge of allegiance to the US flag.  I even hate to stand up when someone sings our national anthem.  I refuse to find fault with those who do, but I do not understand the practice.  My sole allegiance is to Jesus and I love and serve only Him and not a flag or a country.

I just feel that Jesus needs to be first and foremost in our lives.  Plus the USA, in my opinion, is not the totally bright and righteous place that many claim it is.  Our government and military has raped, killed, and burned with the worst of them.  And I refuse to celebrate that fact.  No country is God’s country, because the Lord does not play favorites.  To somehow think that God is always on the side of the USA and that we are endorsed by Him to police and rule the rest of the world is just plain wrong and sinful.  The USA is not now and has never been a “Christian” nation.  We need to love, honor and serve God and sometimes our country gets directly in the way of that.  Those are my thoughts on this Memorial day.

Love and……

Kirk Out !

 

 

 

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6 Comments
  1. i mean…u right…it is idolatry…patriotism comes from latin word pater (father)…we have one Father, God…im not a patriot too…and i cant believe how many ‘christians’ find that completely offensive…i also dont pledge allegiance to th flag…those who are born of th Spirit are strangers here in this or any country and live by faith, not according to rights and privileges of these foreign kingdoms…

  2. Thank you for “speaking the truth in love.” I was in the Boy Scouts and received just about every rank and merit badge I could, except for the “God and Country” badge. God and country are not equal, so I couldn’t pursue a badge that put them on the same level. I’ve always been bothered by the fact that when a Christian flag and the USA flag are flown on the same pole, the put the Christian flag on the bottom when it really should be on top!

  3. Chris,
    Up until a couple of years ago, I could have written your blog word for word. And I too refused to participate in the pledge of allegiance, the national anthem, etc., for the very reasons you stated. And then God….(grin).
    What I am about to share will probably not be accepted by most people, regardless of their stance. On the one hand, I have changed my mind (and rather unwillingingly!) about standing next you and doing everything short of burning a flag and calling America ‘Babylon’. But on the other hand, the position I now hold puts me in a position to (once again) go against the tenets of the organized church, namely those Christians who have put the foreign country of ‘Israel’ and the ‘Jews’ in ‘favored nation’ status with God.
    Several years ago, some coincidences led me to the writings of Stephen E. Jones, regarding the nation of Israel, Christians, Jews, the United States, etc. I was not unfamiliar with others who held a view that can be broadly termed “British-American Israelism”, but since I hadn’t really delved into the topic, I couldn’t really take a position on it. But because of things that have happened recently (both to me personally, and also in connection with 9-11, and the recent release of a book by Jonathan Cahn titled “The Harbinger”, I have finally been sufficiently led of the Holy Spirit AND ‘done my homework’ biblically, historically, and archaeologically to come to the understanding that I presently have.
    First, let me say that there is a grievous error among not only those who call themselves Jews, but also among the vast majority of those Christians who follow the teachings of people like Hal Lindsey, Jerry Jenkins, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, et al. These are mostly pre-trib, Zionistically minded Christians who are still thinking that a pre-trib rapture gets all those with their “I believe in Jesus, I’m not going to hell, all believers going to be zapped out of here and not go through the tribulation, and God will deliver the Jews to magically and instantly preach salvation before the world ends” false theology.
    In Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, we have verses which talk about “those who say they are Jews, but are not”. 99% of your garden variety “believers” never have a serious and educated discussion about what on earth those verses are referring to, and why they are even there. Their current doctrine totally excludes any discussion of those verses, and if they ARE ever mentioned, it is not in context with the entire bible, and so they miss some key things.
    Let me say this. Regardless of who the Jews really are (we will have to hold that lengthy discussion later), most Christians believe that the word “Jew” and “Israel” means the same thing, and are nothing more than interchangeable terms for the exact same thing.
    NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
    After Solomon, the Davidic kingdom was split into two parts (North and South….this little detail and “repeat” will be seen as more important when we look at Ecclesiastes 1:9 as prophetically inspired, instead of philosophically discerned.) Judah, Benjamin and the Levites were left in the South of Kingdom, and referred to by the prophets as the “House of Judah”. The other 10 tribes north of there were ever after referred to by the prophets as the “House of Israel”. THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT DIVISIONS IN THE HOUSE OF GOD.
    Further, the term ‘Jew’ is supposed to be a shortened version of Judah. Judah was a single tribe that came from the loins of Jacob, and he had several “brothers from other mothers”…but only one father, Jacob/Israel. We can simply this issue by saying that all Jews must be from Israel/Jacob/Isaac/Abraham, but not all Israelites are Jews.
    For now, simply put, the Northern Tribes were carried off by the Assyrians into captivity, and some time later, were “scattered”, mostly to the North and then the West, with a huge chunk of the tribes of Ephraim and Mannaseh settling in what is now the countries surrounding and directly related to Great Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, etc., from which a good chunk of Anglo-Saxon Americans can trace their roots.
    Almost 2 years ago, I ran across (accidentally, but then again, there are no accidents or coincidences, it’s all God) two separate writings which mentioned that there are certain geologic and geographic features of the United States that roughly correspond to the furnishings of the Tabernacle/Temple layout as given to Moses.
    This layout doesn’t occur in any other country or nation on earth…not even so-called “Israel” in the middle east.
    I’ve spent the last year seeking God on this topic, and for a period of about 9 months, He led me into even further details and conclusions that back up the scriptures regarding the prophecies (end-time) concerning “the House of Israel” who is, in fact, God’s blind servant.
    God opened the doors last year quite unexpectedly for me to begin teaching in depth about this, and I have already been to two conferences sharing this groups of people who know that most Americans have some (natural, physical) “Israelite” blood in them.
    I know this will be offensive and argumentative to many folks, but there is sound biblical precedence for this, particularly in light of Jonathan Cahn’s book regarding the happenings of 9-11 and subsequent events that have befallen America in the past 10-15 years.
    I will be happy to share what I believe that God has uncovered about this. And Tim…for the record…God DOES hold back from showing all His cards at once. So before you go off on me saying that there is no new “revelation”, please read at least Proverbs 25:2, Isaiah 28:9, and Daniel 12:9. I’ve given you THREE “written” scriptures to back up my statements about knowing that God uncovers information and understanding for us as we seek Him, and hides things from people until the time He appoints.
    Chris’s blog is probably not the place for me to go into teaching mode, but I’ve put in well over 3,000 hours on just this one topic in the past 30 months (probably more, but that is a conservative estimate). That includes Bible study, secular history, geography, archaeology, and time spent praying and pacing the flooring in the meditative “chewing” on what He has given to me by the Spirit. If anyone is interested, you can let me know here, we will exchange email addresses, and I will give you what I have. Currently there is one video of the Lonestar Bible conference from November of 2012, and I have a detailed powerpoint presentation I can put on a DVD and send out (not-for-profit, but if you can pay for the postage, that would help.)
    I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything, but just sharing what has happened for me in the past couple of years. Be blessed

    PS….Chris, you ARE correct about the shape of this nation, though, buddy. Now is NOT the time for us to be waving a flag in pride and patriotism, but certainly is a time to fall on our knees and humble ourselves, and pray, and seek His face, and turn from our wicked ways. We are in desperate need of God as a nation, as a blind church, and as individuals who are still seeing through a glass darkly.

    • th Lord has also revealed to me about Israel and Judah, thought i would share here…Israel and Judah are father and son (root and offstpring); God said He was as a Father to israel and as a Husband to israel…Jesus Christ said I and My Father are One (if you see me you have seen th Father)

      Jesus Christ is th ‘jew’ as from th line of judah, and is israel, which th nation of israel was given that name, from God; it was not their natural name, just as a father names a child or a bride takes her husband’s name…nobody apart from Christ has th right to take th name of israel or, for that matter, of any of th tribes, including judah, apart from Christ bc He is th th true vine, th tree of life and only those grafted in are sons(as 12 th tribes/apostles) and bride (israel/ekklessia)

      those who call themself jews but are a a synagoguge of satan, is th harlot yoked with th false jews (riding th beast-false Christ; a beast being fully flesh and not th man Christ Jesus; looking like a bride but is no bride; they arent jews who are circumsiced of th flesh, bc circumsicion is of th heart; new heart, old heart removed), th false jew is false Christ, bc only Christ is th real jew as coming thru th line of judah…th seed of abraham is Christ,not many seeds…Spiritual not natural…

      Jesus Christ is th root and th offspring, Scripture and revelation,One with th Father, th true vine; th God of abraham, isaac and jacob and th only begotten Son of God…

      th false Christ calls himself a jew, but isnt a jew bc circumsicion is of th heart and only th Father can do that in new birth by th Spirit…

      notice th false ones are called a synagogue of satan, not ekklessia…not church…th harlot [church] (false bride, which is th wolf in sheep clothes; sheep clothes is bride clothes, but hers is fleshly, works based not grace, without th Spirit of God, w/o Christ; & her spirit is th wolf, as jezebel’s was who’s whole intent was to kill th prophets of God) is riding th beast [fornication, not marriage]…

      what is translated as ‘church’ is actually th “called out” ones, ekklessia…and all of God’s were called out…mose, david, th prophets, paul, peter, etc…each one was called outta th multitude in both OT and NT, heard th Lord, & are witnesses (that great cloud of witnesses of which we are part, on which Christ will come and be seen; u see bc u hear)

  4. Steven permalink

    Hi Chris. Back in Dublin. I’m patriotic after living abroad just because our freedom is so much more far reaching than our NATO allies and I miss it. That said, I was surprised how much the USA had changed in just a few years, and realized I didn’t really belong. Wrapping the Bible in the flag looks like ignorance to me now. I have a hard time living like heaven is my real home, so the USA is the next best thing in my book.

    Sorry we didn’t meet up on this visit but I spent every moment with my family. Next time I hope.

    Much love.
    swt

  5. “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.” The freer the people the better. One of God’s highest principles, and greatest gifts is freedom. Now how we use that freedom speaks volumes.

    There are no “Christian Nations”, nations cannot be redeemed only humans can be. This is also true for “Christian” businesses, schools, etc;

    What we do have in this particular nation is a pride problem. Pride and arrogance is anti-Christ, it says what is untrue, it says, “We are better than you.” This selling of America as God’s Country, has hindered faith in Jesus abroad, the same way church has hindered faith in Jesus.

    Many in third world countries, want to have the blessed America church God, and look to the American church as their Savior, in place of faith in Jesus.

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