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Another Trip To Babylon

January 27, 2013

Greetings,

“……to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.”  Isaiah 42:7

Sunday morning I visited Babylon again.  The woman I have been dating for over a month wanted me to meet some of her friends.  She came to home fellowship here last week.  So it was only fair that I went with her this week.

I have to say I was pleasantly surprised.  It was a non-denominational “Bible” Church of about 200 members.  Turns out that one of their associate pastors was a professor at the “Christian” college I graduated from 24 years ago.  We attended the 9 am service and the adult Sunday School class at 10:30 am.  True to their name they handled the bible very well and I could not find any errors in the sermon or the class.

The Pastor shared about Jesus walking on the water and calming the storm.  His main point was that we all must face storms in our lives, but the storms serve the purpose of drawing us closer to the Lord if we choose to endure.  The Sunday school teacher shared about different kings in the book of Isaiah.  Sunday school was somewhat interactive, allowing for comments and questions.  The sermon was a typical monologue, but was casually delivered with a touch of humor.

So overall I had a pleasant time there and the people were extremely friendly and welcoming.  However, it still wasn’t right and I left there feeling sorry for all who attend there regularly.  Like I said it was pleasant, but it still was not freedom in Christ.  Even with all the positive attributes it was still a prison and HIS people were being held in captivity. 

Sure it was a low security prison with free designer coffee and comfortable cushioned seats, but it was still a prison none the less.  The people there were not free to use their priesthood and God-given gifts to bless the whole congregation.  It was still a one man show, even though the man was gifted, friendly and entertaining.  The Lord showed me that this “church” was like a zoo.  All the animals there were well fed and cared for, but at what cost?  They were still being denied their best habitat because they were not allowed to be totally free and open.  There were no locks on the doors, but this place was still a cage.

People have told me in the past to be happy for those who are happy in their current “church” situation.  However, I am not happy…in fact I wept and was filled with sorrow when I got back home.  Even though they had a nice and gifted Clergyman, the Clergy/Laity division was still solidly in place.  There was no true freedom in worship there.  The gifts of the many were held down while the gift of the one was given total preeminence.  Some will still say to me …look at how happy the animals are?  I say blindman it’s a cage!

Love and…….

Kirk Out !

 

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15 Comments
  1. “Some will still say to me …look at how happy the animals are? I say blindman it’s a cage!”

    And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was made bright with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the haunt of every foul spirit, and A CAGE OF EVERY UNCLEAN ADN HATEFUL BIRD. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her luxury. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, THAT YOU BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, and that you receive not of her plagues. (Rev 18:1-4 KJ2000)

    …Alas, alas, that great city, in which were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her wealth! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rejoice over her, you heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets; for God has avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of flutists, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in you; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he may be, shall be found any more in you; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in you; And the light of a lamp shall shine no more at all in you; AND THE VOICE OF THE BRIDEGROOM AND THE BRIDE SHALL BE HEARD NO MORE AT ALL IN YOU: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
    (Rev 18:19-24 KJ2000)

    Once you leave the cage it all becomes so clear.

  2. timbushong permalink

    How judgmental- a local Church doesn’t meet your standards of ‘freedom’, so you eisegete Scripture in order to apply it to these folks. “Zoo”? “Babylon”?

    Talk about unkind and cutting. Only if these dear ones are truly guilty of legalism and setting tradition over and above Scripture should you ever bandy such terms about when describing Christ’s precious Bride.

    • "BK" Zimmer permalink

      Hi, Tim. I re-read all the posts just now to get the feel of where you were coming from. While calling something a zoo in our present day can be a diragatory remark, if you read the context Chris used it in (as he felt the Lord showed him) it wasn’t like ‘this place is a zoo!’, but an example of how animals in the zoo are fed and sheltered, but not free. I think someone else alluded to this also.

      I wondered if you have ever looked up the definition of “Nicolaitan” as used in Revelation? Did you know we actually get our word ‘laity’ from that word? Even though God is on record that He hates their deeds? This is an honest question, not a veiled point. “BK”

  3. Welcome back Tim. I stand with what the Lord showed me. The Bride is the people not the structure or format. It is never about my standards, but only the Lord’s Tim. It all comes down to my tag line……”Most people would rather endure comfortable bondage, than experience uneasy freedom”

  4. timbushong permalink

    And you know all of this how? I mean, one man’s leading is another man’s nonsense.

    And how would handle/process this: “The Lord showed me _________, which is antithetical to what the Lord showed you, and we can’t both be right.”

    ???

    • "BK" permalink

      Actually, Tim, I believe you CAN both be right. When the children of Israel left Babylon, some of them heard the Lord say “Go!” and some stayed. The scripture tells us ‘as many as whose hearts the Lord stirred’ went. So, He can tell one one thing, someone else another, depending on where they are, what He wants to accomplish in them, etc. That’s why it’s so important to follow His Spirit and not set our definitions in stone. Sometimes it sounds set, I know, but as we follow Him we learn to speak with confidence what we have seen, yet maintain the willingness to listen in case He speaks something new to us for another step. “BK”

  5. I follow the leading of the Holy Spirit via direct revelation, from other members of the Body since the beginning of time, and from the scriptures and life in Christ.

  6. Re: “…Only if these dear ones are truly guilty of legalism and setting tradition over and above Scripture…”

    If the original Apostles and the believers of the 1st Cent. could come back and visit that church they would most likely say that they have set tradition above the Scriptures.

    Do they follow the guidelines set out in 1 Cor. 14? Sounds like they don’t.

  7. Just one more comment: Yeah, people probably wouldn’t listen to you if you called their church a zoo, but the analogy is spot on: animals born in captivity don’t really know they are in captivity BUT there must something deep down inside them telling the, “uh ha, this aint right. i don’t know what it is but there’s something not right.” That’s how i felt after i got saved and attended the institutional church for 2 years.

  8. Reformed by the Spirit permalink

    Tim….here we go again…..try this….just discuss what you see that is different from what Chris is seeing…and stop accusing and pointing fingers….tell us how what you see if different and give examples. You can do that…right? In other words…quit correcting Chris and stay on topic.

  9. Ian, Good question about 1 Corinthians 14. I will be posting a blog on that tomorrow.

  10. timbushong permalink

    RBTS- if I’m going to answer you, you first need to provide examples of what it is you’re talking about (“…accusing and pointing fingers”). I really don’t know where I did that, so please be specific.

    Ian- you wrote: “If the original Apostles and the believers of the 1st Cent. could come back and visit that church they would most likely say that they have set tradition above the Scriptures.”

    That’s kind of begging the question- it is possible that they would say that, but issue then is this: is the worship of the Church intended to remain exactly as it was in, say 50 AD?

  11. Troi permalink

    To reformed by the spirit: thou shalt not correct Christopher Kirk, that is all, saith the Lord.

  12. Tim, the issue is not whether “the worship of the Church” is intended to remain exactly as it was in 50 AD, but whether our assemblies are intended to happen exactly as Scripture says they are.

  13. timbushong permalink

    “Tim, the issue is not whether “the worship of the Church” is intended to remain exactly as it was in 50 AD, but whether our assemblies are intended to happen exactly as Scripture says they are.”

    That’s a good point. I know that Kirk is pretty focused on the corrective chapter 14 of 1 Cor, yet there’s still some question-begging going on (not from you). What I mean is that the method of worship that Chris embraces is being equated with “exactly as Scripture says”- but that’s what is being assumed at the outset.

    And as a “soft cessationist”, I would also see a much different application of the passages that regulate the use of tongues in the assembly, since it’s my contention that their normative use ceased after the foundation of the Church had been laid.

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