The Standard; Or The Bible And The Spirit
The following is a blog from September 2011, but I felt that it might help in our ongoing conversation concerning being bible or Spirit led.
I want to start by pointing out that *some* of
us who have shared so far here at the BLOG probably really aren’t
disagreeing about the root of the matter. We just
differ some in perspective, or the way we have
come to understand and explain what we feel God
has revealed to us. And I feel this is just great.
God has offered us all a “table of truth & love” to
eat and grow from. Nice to know that it is always a
banquet or buffet; instead of an Ala’ carte burger and
fries served up by one clowns opinion (sorry
Ronald). It is however very important that we all
are talking about the same Spiritual meat.
Now more comments:
And so much of this is semantics.
I too am what some would call a student of the
scriptures, but what makes me uneasy about saying we
must be a “student” is that it *can* tend to exalt
our intellects. And also exclude those who feel they
are not smart enough to be a good Christian.
Having humble and open hearts always triumphs over
book learned smarts IMHO.
Some folks say that the bible is, “the only
standard of truth which we have”. And others call it
“the final authority”.
The reason this makes me cringe is that it
elevates doctrine to the ruler and head over all, and
tends to negate and destroy what I feel is
every persons reason for existence : RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE LORD and each other.
Having the bible as “the only standard of
truth” has not produced the type of fruit God
desires in the plethora of institutional/
traditional churches that have waved that flag
proudly for centuries has it?
Sure the bible is “A” standard of truth, but I
just can’t elevate it to “the” standard. The
bible is not God! And God is THE STANDARD.
Sure the bible is one of the tools that God has
supplied us with so we can understand the standard
(HIM), but I cannot equate the two.
Here is an interesting take on this:
We all know that the bible says, that “every
matter must be established on the testimony of
2 or 3 witnesses.” And I don’t think that
necessarily means like I have heard taught,
“Yep, I got my three witnesses. This scripture,
that scripture, and this here other scripture quote.
That’s 3 ain’t it?”
I believe that it could rather suggest a checks
and balances method that God
offers us so we can avoid gross errors in judgement.
1 John 5:8 seems clear (at least to me) here.
It says that, “There are three witnesses (these three
testify) the Spirit, the water, and the Blood.”
Here we got 1. the Holy Spirit and His leading for confirmation and all that entails, and many times The Spirit will lead us to the bible, but not always. 2. The water, which thru my studies proves to be LIFE - but not in the sense of circumstances; but rather in the light of relationship with others who share this new life from God. Both the testimonies of those living and those saints that have gone home before us, i.e.- mutual accountability and the answered prayers of the saints. And 3. the Blood, Jesus himself and his testimony which is recorded in the bible. And Jesus is the Word after all. However, I don’t equate Jesus being the Word as the same as He being the scriptures. Jesus is much more comprehensive than that. The bible is not the fourth part of the Godhead. Jesus sits on the throne, not the Book!
Hope I haven’t confused anyone, but rather given
food for thought.
And yes Tim, I know I had to use the scriptures to
prove my point And I agree that the bible is part
of the standard of truth, but it is joined and
supported by much more than itself. Which to me
gives it even more validity and creedance than if if stood
One more point then I’ll git out of here. Folks are
right when they say the Spirit is reliable, but we are
not. We can easily be decieved by our own feelings
and thoughts. People have used the Spirit told me
so to do some vile things throughout history.
But the same thing can be said for those who
have claimed the bible as their only standard of
truth. People have used the bible to enslave and
dominate others for centuries. The KKK use it to
promote racism and hatred. Think of the crusades and the
inquisition where many were slaughtered in the name of
the WORD. Women have been told to stay in
relationships where they are battered and
beaten because they were told the bible says so.
The list goes on and on.
Problem is we are human. We quite easily are
decieved by our own feelings and thoughts about even
the bible. Our interpretations of what we read in
there can be grossly full of error.
So I just can’t trust myself with only one
standard of truth.
Unless that standard is Jesus and the many ways
HE reveals himself.
Kirk Out !
p.s. Does the bible reveal the truth of
the Spirit, or the Spirit reveal the truth of the bible?
And didn’t the Spirit have to reveal to the
authors what to write?
I am thankful for confirmation from all
the resources our source, The Lord , has provided us. I
long for both the forest and the trees. What a view,